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Help wanted: Designing a CP manifesto Version 3-2007 |
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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:06 pm |
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Hello, I want to make a new CP manifesto ver 3.0 /2007 with the help of other cyberpunks.
When you are interested, leave a private message on my CP-review account here. I then put a start-sheet or something on the CP wiki, and you can add-delete/etc.
The main reason for a new manifesto is, that times are changing, and that political views, and technology changed aswell. The last v. 2.0 manifesto is going to be a bit out-dated.
So by making a new 2007 CP manifesto, we could make the torch of techno-anarchy and cyberpunk burn brighter again.. and can re-define CP for the 21th and 22th century. (big words, for a big topic!!!!)
Hail to the ordinary nerds, who don't walk the streets often , being 24 hours a day online , freaking, hacking , tweaking, etc. Being cyberpunk, being other than normal people
Seeing what normal people just do not see. The digital life in biological senses of the mainframe , defined as the global world we life in. Labeled as nerd, weirdos, punks, freaks.... Technology freaks, that understand all systems, labeled as freaks/weirdos by society. Knowing more as common people do, hacking systems for fun, digitaly overloading their mind with good information....etc....
People like us, loving tech and having more friends online as in their own town/city, searching and learning technology to use it in other ways as it was meant to be, searching other means of system liberation, fighting against corporate opression and sensorship, freedom of information wars....
Long life the Cybero-revolution, long live the techno-anarchists, long live the hackers and the crackers.... hehehe.
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Greetings from Stormtrooper of Death, member of the High Tech Team, Duty of Thelema, Knights of the Holy Grail,Eindhoven Punk Squad (EPS) , DV8, the Dream Team and The Corporation
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:32 pm |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:52 pm |
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I'm just back from school and work, so I'm a little dazed and confuced, but it looked pretty good.
I'll look into it and possibly add some stuff when I'm more.. concious..
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:42 pm |
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This looks like an interesting idea to consider posting to the front of the site. A cyberpunk manifesto written in 2007 should be written in a mass-collaboration, wiki way. It should specifically not have a single author.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:56 pm |
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Hi SFAM, on top of the wiki-page of the manifesto (in progress), I already put the line, that it is supposed to be a group-collabiration, so, that it would reflect the current views of the CyberPunk community.
I already got some reply by some fellow Forum members who are very enthusiastic about contributing to develop this new manifesto.
That is a good sign. As I also mention on the wikipage: When making an up-to-date CP manifesto, we could make the flame of CyberPunk burn brighter again (in other words: Make it more up-to-date and so....).
It will also be very interesting for new Cyberpunk fans worldwide, to read what CyberPunk means in the 21th century (like as of 2007). Because the old manifesto (v. 2.0) is from the 90s, and is becoming a bit out-of-date, caused by new political and technological changes and advances that always happen to be it would be good to go for a new ver. 3.0 of the CP Manifesto.
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Greetings from Stormtrooper of Death, member of the High Tech Team, Duty of Thelema, Knights of the Holy Grail,Eindhoven Punk Squad (EPS) , DV8, the Dream Team and The Corporation
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:03 am |
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Posted on the front. 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:07 am |
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Well, I don't think I really have the right mindset to actually be part of this manifesto.
But I hope you get the info out on the web. If this is going to be a true manifesto we need to get people from everywhere to know about it.
Livejournal communities, MySpace groups, YouTube Channels, RSS feeds streaming the latest news on the manifesto all over the web. Truly use the power of mass collaboration that is Web 2.0!
Webcast it! Podcast it!
Feed it to the mass
With news streaming
Over the users screen!
Then you have a mass collaboration... Of course that is a colossus project. Although if you make it popular on the web, then CPR would start getting even more traffic 
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"Digital Redundancy in an Analog Plutocracy"
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:31 am |
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To SFAM: Since the changes of the board-software, I noticed that some commands of the wiki-editor have changed.
Do you know how to enter a C/R command so, that the pages are shown correctly on screen . Previously, it was %%%, but it seems the new software does not handle it very well.
Keeping the layout of the pages organised is a pro, so if somebody knows the recent command-changes of the editor of the wiki, i would be very happy.
furthermore, i have made some small aditions to the Manifesto.
I consider also adding current CP fashion and music to it, as it is also a part of the Social thingy.
I also want to add a fashion item to the manifesto.
What bugs me, is that by adding a detailed fashion item to the manifesto, could make some Cyberpunks disagree, as there is actually not a standard CP fashion. So, the fashion addition to the manifesto could create a long discussion on the net among cyberpunk enthusiasts.
Pro of adding a fashion item, is to create a clear statement, as what is exactly CP fashion, and what is not. The creation of the new manifesto will make overall definition of CP more detailed.
By extending the definition of CyberPunk we create a more clear view of what is CP and what is not, and by creating a new manifesto, it keeps up-to-date to current standards. Future novel writers/artists etc, will profit much by this manifesto, that can be used as a uniformal guideline for all things CyberPunk related.
By the way: I consider Cyberpunk NOT to be Science Fiction , but in fact current technological reality.
We might also take into consideration, that the older Cyberpunk movement was more Science Fiction based, and that the current generation is more factual fiction. This means that the current Cyberpunk movement also has a difrent mindset compared to the older generation of the 80s/90s. This also means, that the new manifesto has to be written and aimed at both old and new generation to combine these two groups and to create a bridge between the gap of moving from the old SF setting of CP to the new world CP setting of reality in cyberspace and information tech.
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Greetings from Stormtrooper of Death, member of the High Tech Team, Duty of Thelema, Knights of the Holy Grail,Eindhoven Punk Squad (EPS) , DV8, the Dream Team and The Corporation
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:53 am |
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Hmm...regarding the software, I haven't touched the Wiki software AT ALL. I only did the Wordpress stuff. There should be no change at all to how this runs.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:55 am |
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| Stormtrooper of Death wrote: | By the way: I consider Cyberpunk NOT to be Science Fiction , but in fact current technological reality.
We might also take into consideration, that the older Cyberpunk movement was more Science Fiction based, and that the current generation is more factual fiction. This means that the current Cyberpunk movement also has a difrent mindset compared to the older generation of the 80s/90s. This also means, that the new manifesto has to be written and aimed at both old and new generation to combine these two groups and to create a bridge between the gap of moving from the old SF setting of CP to the new world CP setting of reality in cyberspace and information tech. |
My thought on this is more of a multi-perspective one. Clearly there is some aspect of Cyberpunk which is definitely Scifi - most of the movies I've reviewed certainly fit into this. Just as clearly, the same term says something specific about the "here and now" to many people. It also provides a conceptual outlook for analyzing the world.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:05 am |
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Heh, I'd want to be a part of the manifesto, but I don't think the age of the digital soldier is yet upon us (give it 10-20 years)
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"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser gate. All these moments are lost in time... like tears in the rain..."
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:39 am |
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I send some E-mail to DefWeezers portal, the German and Russian Cyberpunk portals, some Cyberpunk Bloggers, etc. asking if they can put the news on their front-page or in the news-section of their websites/boards
Hope that they will also spread the word on the net.
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Greetings from Stormtrooper of Death, member of the High Tech Team, Duty of Thelema, Knights of the Holy Grail,Eindhoven Punk Squad (EPS) , DV8, the Dream Team and The Corporation
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:51 pm |
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I think it's important to point out what cyberpunks think of technology, because so many people are using the same technology with us, but they don't think it's anything special. (heh, a long sentence)
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Dance the Saltreel.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:58 pm |
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Hi there: (courtesy came first)
My heart hurts again.
I don't like to complain for every topics, specially thinking that i'm a newcomer (or more specifically a delurker) but still feel the needing to say some things.
A cyber punk is by basic a anti-nerds, a nerds can known about computing like a cpunk but the difference is the attitude, Bill Gates is not (and never will be) a cyberpunk. Also a guru can known about cyber but still lack the pose or being a guru also a good cyberpunk (or must say a BAD cyberpunk where he's cool?.).
All the definition of cyberpunk is (like i say) the attitude over, inside and/or again the technology and mainly the ciberspace, for example Myspace can be a playground for every cyberpunk but not a place to live in or root in.
A cyberpunk (like some guy say) also is not SCI-FI stuff, SCI-FI can show a reflex of cyberpunk's society and cyberpunk can inspire in some film but still there are really difference into sci-fi and cyberpunk.
Indeed they can be called "weirdos","freakis" and such but it's because they afraid us, black coat, chain (and nasty cybertools or cybertricks) are not a symbol to be friendly but fear us. The aren't weird action into break any limitant, sadly restricted people don't understand it or don't want to.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:54 pm |
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Actually, Cyberpunk, at heart is a sci fi concept. Made by nerds in the 80's speculating about a dark technological future.
Then some people made it a underground movement to define the fight of the individual in our new emerging cyber society. Kind of a way to define oneself .
"black coat, chain (and nasty cybertools or cybertricks)" goths?
That is just another cliché. Look at the 3 "gurus" of Cyberpunk: Gibson, Sterling and Stephenson. They have none of those vibes, they just knew how to imagine a future where computers are everywhere.
The Cyberpunk manifesto is basing itself on a fiction that has become a reality, and try to define the role of some underground movement that tries to make a difference in the cyber culture.
But the true cyberpunks (in my opignon) are the poeple from the Free Frontier Society, the ones that etablished the GNU liscence, the CC, or even Google that is redifining the corporate culture of IT entreprises.
Then you have the people that try to glamourise all that, and call themeselves "Cyberpunk".
And that is exactly why I am probably not the right person to help creating this manifesto.
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"Digital Redundancy in an Analog Plutocracy"
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